and here a breakdown. ok first I have been working hours to try to find out why the blackness in the trees and bush at the bottom, I have had no luck yet but will keep trying today to find out why! This is a scene export from vue with the same tex setting as the above and no changes in cinema execpt to setup the alpha channels for the tress and bush. In the other pic tests I used a second light in cinema to help with the scene but not in these pics just to see how it imports, but I think you can see it needs the extra lights no biggie but just a thought. The scene was exported as 3ds and the textures where the same size as the other pics, but I have found it is better to export the terrian as a single object where you have more control over the export, I have found if you set the size in the terrian editor (vue) to 512 and then the export mesh size to max and then set a texture size to somewhere between 1500 - 2000 you get a near purfect match between the two progs 3ds seems to work fine with this. Finaly the times are vue 3.13 secs (broadcast) cinema 8.2 1.58 secs (best) settings. I am currectly using an athlon 1600+ machine with 1G ram. I think there is great promise with vue 4 pro if e-on can get the trees, bushes ect, texturing, artifact removal, right then I can see great stuff coming for us all. As I said I will post again later today if I can workout why the tree problem is there and how to overcome it, unless somone else has allready done so! Videodv.