OK. In my opinion the longer render time of Cinema in my first post above has something to do with antialiasing the trees. Cinema slows down a lot, if you put several trees behind each other. That is the same for xfrog trees or vue trees. (But low resloution vue trees render much faster than xfrog) The scene in my post was exported in low resolution settings. The same with the texture maps. This is because I am running a 800 Mhz Power Mac G4 and exporting in higher resloution let Vue crash almost ervery time. (E-on states as minimum 1,25 Ghz for Mac, but I will anyhow switch in a couple of months to the new G5)