I think a verst user of Carrara could probably do every thing that can be done in Bryce with Carrara. The rendering in Carrara is extremely superior in quality and speed to Bryce's offering. I do agree with you that Bryce fell into the worst company, at least from a Mac user stand point, and it probably would have been a lot better off if Eovia would have purchased them. I am under the impression thou that the source code for Bryce was retained by it's founder and creator and that he is planning on further developing it under a deferent name. I visited a web site from a link that allegedly claimed this. It had samples picts that looked pretty impressive. As far as Corel in concerned, I believe that they recently got bought out du to financial problems. I currently own two of their products, Painter 8 and Corel Graphic Suite 11, both for the Mac. I just hope that they keep on working on Painter and don't decided to can it for the Mac. The Graphic Suite is not as important to me. What was ironic was that I was fixing to buy Bryce 5.0 when they decided to stop development on the Mac.