Guitta, please do not consider this a personal attack. and to say no more contests is maybe not the route to go. As many VUE enthusiasts enjoy to show their work here. It is just a case of not changing the rules as you go. I know, for one, that I was given direction that it seemed I was not following the rules. I changed my render accordingly. Only to find all was well in the first palce. Don't take this to heart. I know all of this is a great deal of work. And I, do appreciate it. It is more a situation of the judges not coming through for you. Let's just move on and in the future if there is a pre vote it could be announced so all could participate. We know that in contests at Rosity the more people you know the better the chances. In the mean time Guitta, keep the faith. I know you made this decision in the best interest of the sponsor, but here is also the entrant to consider. Thanks, for all of your hard work and time. Not grovelling, here it is sincere