macrey not marcey sorry. my typing is worse than my spelling. There is one reason I'd recommend truespace 3 over wings at least at first if you're coming from Bryce. The operation of the program will be more familiar to you once you get past the more complicated interface. For me anyway truespace 3 was easier to learn. Other than that wings is an exellent program(but then I've got the TS2 manual). I'd recommend learning them both. - TJ