... and furthermore, never, never give the customers the impression that you assume they are idiots. As a matter of interest, _digger joined only a few weeks ago and his only previous post was, to all intents and purposes, an inquiry into the potential size of the Poser market. I may well be wrong here, but I'd certainly stake shed loads of cash that there is indeed a direct connection between himself and posertoolbox. andrejacyshyn could well have been forgiven the first post on the grounds of ignorance, but this post is a deliberate charade. Not withstanding the grey areas in the definition of advertising, the ban on ads in this forum has arisen from the wishes of the members. Merchants who antagonise members of their customer base by flaunting this are wholly missing the purpose of promotions. Even without the TOS, true professionals would stick voluntarily to the Product Forum simply because that's what the customers want. As far as the product is concerned, this kind of thread will give nobody any confidence in your ability to deliver and support professional software. Bill