hi Darkness, i've started working with terragen a few weeks ago, and I'm very satisfied - most results are real (!) photo-realistic (even better than bryce - but I miss all the fantastic features of it (b) ... (btw: I'll have some of my terragen pix on my forthcomming 3D page - hope for an 01.08.2000 opening - www.endorfin.net) Cyphre