blood, if you slow your computer way down you can actually see the "dancing man" during lights etc... Most of us are running in the 250+ (and some in the 550+) range.. so it just whips by.. a simple side note.. the only time it takes a looooooong time for a render is if there's a lot of props and figures in the document.. like doing a Super Hero Conventioon... (bloody 45 minute render.... and it still came out wrong...) Cheers, Wizzard