After a long hiatus, I upgraded from Poser2 to 5 without realizing 4 would have been a much better deal. Obviously, I should've hung around renderosity a while longer before making the purchase. Unfortunately, after making the purchase, circumstances kept me from messing around with 5 very much for a while, and by the time I got into it, it was too late to return it to the vendor for a refund. So, via email, I then asked CL if I could "downgrade" to 4. No response. I then asked them if I could get a very special price on 4 since I had already paid for 5. No response. So I am now trying to create art in 5, and it is without question the buggiest (by far) software I own, and the buggiest (by far) I have used in many years. I don't know about the rest of you (and as for what they call it, I could hardly care), but the very least CL OWES me is a FREE fix -- and not yet another service release that doesn't really fix very much of anything.