Hi guys, Thanks for posting the link to the older Michael 3 SR1 thread. I didn't see this one when I started posting on that thread. I hope it isn't too much trouble to go there to look for the explanation of what the M3 SR1 fixes and what files it includes. It's a fairly long post and I've added some additional posts per Cherokee69's requests about the "shoulder issues" he is having. Xoconostle, The "p" is our new way of stating "PBM", just as GhostofMacbeth suggested. It takes less space in the morph name and so makes it easier to tell just what morphs are loaded onto and affect each body group. When Muscular 3 is set to 1 on just that group or any one group it is indeed "not a pretty picture", just as you said. SnowSultan, In the post I made explaining the M3 SR1 a solution to your problem is laid out. But to paraphrase... after you install the M3 Base update, go to your "Runtime:Geometries:DAZPeople" directory and delete the "blMilMan_m3.rsr" file and your problem should be solved. Okay, I'm off to my home now. Have a great night all. I'll check back to these 2 threads in the morning. Tony "Melmoth" Bradt Content Production Coordinator DAZ Productions