I have Bryce in it's box, but I honestly dont think I should use a 500kb program and then convert it with 100meg program. doesn't make much sense to me:) I was a little fed up using 3dsmax as a tex tool, I already have M$ Word which is 80meg text tool. A friend of mine pointed me towards a script for 3dsmax which basically does texting automatically -hope the next version of it writes the text itself too... .hilt