Aye, I'm all about Rhino. The only modelers I haven't tried are Maya and Cinema, and I'd have to say I've never seen anything, from any app, that you couldn't make inside Rhinoceros. I even got a crazy hair flowing and started boning stuff, using Lightwave, with my Rhino creations! But I know what you mean, AS, I find it easier to arrange a scene in Bryce than in Lightwave. Good stuff...