And this one, I did last night, same scene. I turned the atmosphere on, set it to some reds and oranges (custom mode, of course), set some light orange haze and fog, and rendered it at a Ray Depth of 18. TIR was also 18. There are no null-reflections, as the shadow color is the same. The render time was just over 2 hours, on my little Duron 1.3 with 512 MB-DDR. All of these are pure renders, no post... I finally got rid of those little bastard null-reflections! Thanks for viewing...