Beth- great characters as ALWAYS! I think your first guy looks a lot like Rondo Hatton (see photo link near top of this thread. That is also an example of what I am talking about- if Beth did a series of Rondo Hatton, Bela Legosi or Frankenstein characters (which she already does with her Boris characters- (I own EM ALL and LOVE EM!) that isn't going to send Hollywood lawyers running to her house with law suits. They are LOOK-A-LIKES and no threat to the Karloff, Legosi or Hatton estates, etc. ****************************************** Doug- Again, I'm not a copyright expert (where's Cooler with his opinion?) but I still think doing caractures of PAST Hollywood Stars (like from the 30's-40"s) wouldn't really rattle anyone's cage. The "Thunderball" deal was again an issue of a huge, on-going money-making James Bond franchise- like Star Wars, etc. But I think that Sean Connery (who's name is mentioned in the Borus stuff) would feel its a legitimate "caracture" and certainly no threat to Connery or the James Bond franchise. ****************************************** dirk5027- that's kind of what I think too. I have actually no problem with GAY MIKE characters, its really to do with how M3 seems to come out of the box and how it seems to actually appear- as a FEMININE male character. It seems that DAZ already did this with V3 MALE! Face-wise they are just about identical. And body-wise its clear that M3 comes from a FEMALE source. Most people can see that. DAZ would have been a lot smarter, In my opinion, to release M3 as a TRUE MIKE (M2 UPGRADE) with the morphing options to make hime more FEMININE- In other words- an M3 Female! Or maybe an M3 Stephanie character! This would have made EVERYONE happy and still given everyone tons of character and morphing options that are inherent in the (hopefully) improved M3 MESH. I think its like Coca Cola messing with their own successful formula and irritating their customer base by changing the taste. Why do that, when you can instead come out with SPRITE, FRESCA, MOUNTAIN DEW, Etc. as additional products? DAZ should have stuck with Mike 3 original taste Coca Cola and then offered an M3 Stephanie that could do all the feminine Male looks that anyone could ever want!