I'm fascinated. You guys seem to really think there is just one way for a guy to look to be a "real" man. I guess you think Vicky looks like a "real" woman and the rest of us are just aberrations? Pardon me while I go off laughing. You all need to get away from your computers more and look at real people. I don't mean ripping off someone else's image but getting out on the street and seeing what real people actually look like. I haven't ever seen a Vicky strolling around in my neighborhood. I have seen a couple of Mike 3's, to tell you the truth. Truth is you can manipulate Vicky and Mike into real people if you want, but I get the growing feeling that's not really what people here want...they just want carbon copies of someone else's face or creative work. Doesn't say much for any of us as artists if all we can do is replicate what has already been done. Or maybe it says it all that duplication of what already existed is what we are striving for.