"The Poser program itself is what keeps making those dials show up" To be sure, Poser is doing what it is supposed to - if people innovate outside of wha tis "allowed" it's hardly Posers fault if there are "issues" caused by this. Poser (Artist,4,Pro Pack,5,whatever) has enough problems of its own without having extra problems assigned as "it's fault". No, I know you didn't say that I'm just responding to an impression I get every now and then :( Dave-So:- nah, duck 'em if they can't take a joke. Whilst some people ARE just offensive, it's better IMHO to crack a joke and risk being misinterpreted than to be one of the "grey men" that so infiltrate modern society. Personally I never did find any of Shakespeares jokes particularly mirthful, but apparently some find them quite funny - so probably emminently worthwhile, even today.