EricofSD, Thanks for the link, that is a great site! I will need to take a little time to go over it in more detail. I also landed a free evaluation copy of Rhino(expensive software to buy, but not bad compared to some) But everything at that link is either freeware or shareware but I guess I'm not telling you anything you don't already know lol Thanks for your help, I hope your seeing this PandaPride :)