YL: I will keep a close eye on the challenge ! BigGreenFurryThing: First of all I love your latest Techie Trekkie ... very cool ! Concerning the monitor, I look at the images on three different monitors (an old one which doesn't have the brightest colours indeed), a brand new LCD monitor and at work at a 19" monitor) so I can compare it and I can see it at all monitors :) You are right about the fact that it is most of the time with large vegetation images that I get that 'dull' feeling. I don't say that the images are bad. Some are really outstanding, but they all look a bit similar. I get the feeling that all those are rendered with the default lighting settings. But it's all in my humble opinion. I know there are plenty of good examples of what Vue can do :) I just wanted to point it out because I get the feeling some people just don't know how to brighten up an image by using more spotlight at certain areas. I brought it up because I know Vue has a lot of potential and as soon as I have some money left I will buy it straight away. Until then I have to do it with your cool renders and just thought I might give you Vue users something to think about. In my opinion Renderosity shouldn't be only to display your work but to learn also. I know I've learned a lot from critical users in the Bryce, Terragen and MojoWorld forums ! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and insights !! Anne BTW: the August 2003 winning image is also one of those good examples of great colours in Vue ofcourse !