MachineClaw, I hear what you're saying. If it's any consolation to you, DAZ are working to get brokers to sell their stuff outright to DAZ, instead of selling through them. Presumably, if DAZ owns a product outright, they can put it in the PC or whatever they want. They started this fairly recently, so it might take a while for the effects to show. But in the private broker letter, DAZ frequently remind us that they're willing to buy a whole product. So, they obviously want to have sources other than their own modellers for the PC. mac