megalodon: If you buy a package costing 499 and get scratched and dusty CDs. Do you consider that to be OK? If not, then you would also realise that it's an unnessesary risk to use such kind of package. GeBe. No that is not a 'Vue' rose if you buy that mean that I paid money just to get a rose to render. But it is still a Vue rose as it is built just the way you suggested. It was all described in my lost post. The rose itself is a primrose where the flower has been hidden and the blades has been used to form the flower instead. If I had changed the picture it would had looked even better. The steam is bamboo (maybe the Aralia would had been better). Same thing here, changing the picture would had made it look better. So this is a Vue plant, and it wont work using wind.... And yes I could of corse move the flower manually but that is something I could do without paying 299. The reason I currently are so upset is that as I have no needs to get stuff out of Vue, only to get stuff into Vue as Vue is my chosen renderer. The fact that I payed the 299 for the sidgrade was. 1. I can make my own plants. As this means that I don't have to buy them I will save some money. 2. Getting textures to update automatically when thay are changed is a big plus compared to the stupid Vue4 where not even reselecting the image is enough. One actually have to save the image with a new name before doing so in order for Vue4 to update. 3. I now have 5 computers in the network and getting the rendercow sounded as a god idea. Still not much for a 299 upgrade if compare to the initial cost of Vue4. But as I had not given myself a present lately I did buy it... And what did I get? 1. Well I can't actually make new plants. Only do minor changes to existing ones and the one supplied are more or less the same as I allready had in Vue4. So now I still have to buy plants, not much payback on that investement. 2. Ehh, currently the textures seems to have problem, so I have to go back to Vue4. Not much value there either. 3. Ehh the rendercows, well they don't work either. I wont even mention the word value here..oops I did anyway did I not. 4. The CD are scratched. Even a 2 year old rental DVD is less scratched than those brand new CDs. If I had have any money left after this investement I whould get drunk an forget about it... Maybe they should use me as a beta tester the next time.