thank you phil, right now your page is coming up...page cannot be displayed. maybe to many people in there so i well try again later. i didnt know that the setup room in p5 is like propack. i never got that far in p5 to find out. well she has since sold the software to someone she knows. im not worried about it though, i think i need to learn the program i have now better anyhow. i dont see myself being a true clothing modeler anyway until i learn to do all of it. this includes texturing which im still learning that also. but i can do the basics of it.