Although I prefer to think of myself as well padded - and I am not in the class of those two ladies - I also objected to the name of the files. BUT - he made/distributed them that's his right to name them whatever he likes. I renamed them as Bertha(BFMW) and Wyma(BFM). Hmmmph. I have people to insult me every day - I don't need my computer to make me feel bad too. And it's good that you guys jumped on the geometry thing. As soon as replacements are around, I'll swap'm for the new files. BTW any clothes/morphs for clothes yet?