Hmm...I didn't think I was being harsh. And I think I caught most of the threads about Vue4Pro. Here are some quotes I pulled from a few of them: probs i got already ,cant import poser scenes in pro i tryed inporting the extra plants on the cd but it asks for the serial numbers for the plants i dont have the serial numbers and i cant find them on the cd..very annoying My GL worked great in Vue 4, but does not work in Vue Pro what do we reallly have - a very expensive upgrade for VUE4!...I will continue to use it once most of the bugs are fixed and it is very bugy So, like me disappointment reins I tried the update but it does not seem to have fixed the issue with rendercows I got the Update too. It did not fix my extra plants install problem When importing a scene from Poser 5 VuePro says it can't recognize the format .jpg for textures! I also had the CDs loose in the package. Unfortunately there was some kind of glue on the app.CD so it couldn't install I'm so pleased with the bits of Vue4 Pro that do work, I've decided to stop failing to make animation and try to make my first static scene. Have found the application a little unsteady (crashes a lot) but will continue to persue with it. And even worse, one of the CDs had fallen out of the pocket and had loose inside that folder. I did read the text 'Applicaton' on it and with shivering hands i turned it around. ARGHHH several ugly scratch marks!!! This totally new CD looks worse than any of my 10 yaer old CDs. Very bad packaging. After import of the scene textures ar missplaced Given comments like these, how could I come to any other assessment?