Oh, I guess this is really what is bothering me. Some people are experiencing some problems, no doubt, and they are very active here, as they should be, this is what the Forum is for. But the fact that the software works for a lot of others of us is obscured. It would help to keep some of the complaints in perspective. Yes, the CDs might have been packaged in a more secure way. This caused a genuine problem for several people. May not have been worth the implication that that the company is totally unprofessional and produces crappy software, however. It appears that an awful lot of people purchased Vue Pro, basically hoping that it is essentially an upgrade over the standard Vue. Is not the case. The software does introduce a substantial set of new features and interchangability for people who work across a lot of platforms. It is a great fix for MAX and MAYA, two enormously expensive products in which scene and landscape modelling are almost impossible without $2500 worth of add-on products. This is pretty much what the purpose of the software was advertised as being. Other good folks, such as Timoteo1, want some expansions and improvements in some of the specialized feature sets, such as animation and importation of Poser scenes and figures. I guess the lack of these are being called "deficiencies" in the basic product, in quotes and in shouting capital letters. This does bother me a bit, precisely because it discourages people from obtaining the software and using it for its basic purposes. I'd never want to criticize Bryce users of World Construction Set users, or all those folks that have purchased the various expensive landscape and atmospheric add-ons for MAX and Maya at $500 a pop, but the plain fact is the Vue is simply the best, most reasonably priced product of its kind in the marketplace. It could stand to have some additonal features, more plants, improvements of a wide variety of sorts. How do we go about getting e-on software to add these things and make some improvements? I'm not sure its by discouraging would-be buyers of the product, and filling up a forum with accusations that the software is first-class crappy. But then, I'm old and more patient, and besides Guitta told us to "behave" while she's gone, and I probably haven't done that here.