I agree with Stormrage, he's not a dork, and I can prove it. He's just been rendered all wrong for as long as he's existed. Everyone has done such hard work on the female characters, but no one really cared much about bothering with the males, so they've only done mediocre work on him. I recently posted my non-dork page of pretty hot Poser Guys. I'll put in the URL here so you can check it out once more. http://www.teleport.com/~rene/mel/main.html Go to the Poser page and click on the link to the Fun With Poser Dork page. ;) Enjoy, Melanie