Oh aye.. I have had Poser 5 for some time now... and it has worked well (other than the firefly renderer which never was very stable on my machine) It just got flaky after I installed the patches. I wonder if maybe I installed them in the wrong order or some such thing. Anyway.. it just won't work at all now. As far as what I am trying to render.. anything .. I even tried rendering just the default figure that is there when Poser loads..nada.. it freezes right up!!