i see that a mesh can easily be public domain, especially those that were distributed through alt.binaries and other usenet groups. This in theory is given to the world to use as directed by the post that it was included on. I happened to have those posts still and that was my first place to look for owners. I found some there and thos efiles will be either updated or not as per there wishes, but most of those people can not be found based on the given email on the post or simply gave bogus to avoid spam. Ethan> My site was up until three months ago when I no longer needed a site for my professional work. To further address the issue of free DL vs Public Domain, when it comes to files on the net no matter there final form whether they are words, music, or zip files, they are all the same in the fact that they are collections of 1 & 0's. To comment on the zygte, I fully respect there copyright and effort to make freebies. They however make it perfectly clear the files are not to be exchanged or modified and exchanged in anyway. I would not violate that or anyone elses express wishes in the mater. the full debates comes down to redistribution of files that were given to the world with no claim of ownership, the first to be released would be the absolute no ownership claim via usegroups, anything else i will be waiting to see what is done about Naster. But this has made for interesting debate, we can all agree on that I think.