mokba, well i tried to play with the opengle settings in vue and no luck, i was able to get further into the material editor then i have in the past couple of days. well at least i am making some progress. with the 3.8 drivers, does your screen flicker at all? mine would flash and flicker when starting windows. so for now i think i installed the drivers off of the cd, not sure though, i have been making so many changes over the last couple of days i cannot remember. eric