Hi again John, well I agree that does make quite a world of difference to your image that you modelled and textured the models yourself. They are excellent work, I do make a fair proportion of my images contents myself and know that, it can be time consuming, but you do feel you have more personal input into that image, than if you took the easier route and found them either in free stuff or purchased them. I think it is worth noting how an image is created, not everyone will be bothered but certainly many will. I also think it can be an interesting learning experience finding out how others create their images, it can encourage other people to try modelling programs when they see what you have done. Lots have undeveloped talents purely because they think they cant do it, when with a little perseverance, they would find that many things for their images they could create. I do now understand the point of you original post sorry for any misunderstanding. Dave