Thanks for the comments and suggestions. Lorraine... I raised and showed quarter horses for years before moving to CA. Moving the joint centers down was the first thing I did when I decided to try this. This model is set up more like a human than an animal. I'm still deciding on whether to add another group or two to the neck. With the way this mesh is I don't know that it would make much difference. I was working on a morph to slim the neck when the head is down, but the power decided to go out just as I hit "Save" to save the morph. I'll have to redo it. HaiGan... I tried morphs just like you and came to the same conclusion. That's why I added the group to the neck and regrouped the other neck and chest areas. BTW... this horse can almost raise his head without a problem. Ed