PJF, ornlu was in no way being ignorant or immature--he was just saying that in his opinion, alot of other entries embodied the theme of the contest better, and deserved to win. No one here is being sour grapes, and no one is whining, i dont even find this thread very negative. Poser does have the majority of users on this site, and probably most of the focus falls towards them naturally, not that they neglect all the other apps at all, i mean this is a great community. I did kind of fail to see the theme resembled in some of the entries, and i had to scratch my head at the winners. I can think of about 4 other images that not were beautiful, AND were winter memories. I dont really know what im getting at Im just kind of typing the ideas fresh on my mind, but I think in the end it came down to looks and possibly popularity instead of imagination and coherence. but thats how the real world works....thats just my opinion, and thats probably all im gonna post cuz as long as i still have my Bryce and photoshop im happy.