Your point is good AS, but as has been mentioned this is a community of many different applications and as Zhann said why don't the admin give a different app a go at the cover every issue. The way things are at the moment the admin pick the winner, the winner will most likely be Poser, the rest of the community gets pissed at the result again. It is not fair and in my opinion is less fair that what would happen in the real world. Every time we come to these contests you encourage folk to enter but it gets a bit much when every issue ends in the same result. It is making me unhappy and I don't think I will allow it to make me unhappy any more. So until things change a bit round here I think I'll just forget about the contests. Catlin