OK, apologies to anyone who has ruffled feathers. I really don't want to get into this stuff. There is NO schism as far as I'm concerned, I've seen a lot of people post both complaints and praise of P5 (and I read most P5 threads). I also bought it when it was released and for a whole string of reasons, have not installed it. I've nothing against P5. I don't even know the app. I just haven't installed it... yet. Re DAZ|Studio - I have no opinions one way or the other on that - DAZ broker or not. If it works, great, but what can I say? It hasn't hit the market yet, so what do I know? Just one point for mickmca though. I suggest you update your info sources. DAZ does support P5 and has done for several months, ever since Curious dropped their outrageous demands for money and they came to an agreement. I said it before, but evidently it needs repeating. The title thread did NOT convey a P5-specific request to ME. Maybe everyone else is smarter. It sounded p5-ish, but I clicked on it because newbies frequently misword their requests for infomation. I then suggested it might be better to include 'P5' in the title. Now was that really enough to set off a P4-P5 war? If it was, then this ain't the place for me. Sheesh! mac