Wynter, you are obviously not familiar with my tactics which is not your fault. I happen to be VERY sarcastic at times, and the realismpost-rendering thing was meant as very sarcastic. I must be one of the most die hard folks around here that believes post rendering is a GOOD thing cause I feel it adds style and makes our work stand apart from all the rest; only in post rendering can you actually give your work that "signature" to make it stand out as unique and as yours!! I apologise if I came across the wrong way here, for although I do believe there is much talent shown by using poser and bryce to create, I also believe that there may be even more talent shown when we post render, because that takes us beyond just the softwares limits and adds moisture to an otherwise dry piece of bread, hehehe ;-)