since this is a forum and we have the right to different opinions, this is my opinion: Someone mentioned that there are places on the net that specialize in Flames and Rants. I (just me personally) would like to see this flaming/ranting exchange end here. Agree to meet in one of those other places and continue to your hearts content. And by all means post a link so that those who care can follow. I don't care to see personal attacks, I'd much rather get tips and how-tos and see others wips. Ok, I'm done. almost- I really like the friendly atmosphere here, please bring it back.