"I suspect the public beta will be longer than a month before release but then again maybe they are further along than I thought." Well, technically, I guess they could release the beta in very early November and release the final right at the end of December, making it more like a two-month beta. ;-) I agree that it's pretty exciting (transparency in preview mode alone will make my life better); judging by the number of people who are quick to find the flaws in new meshes (or Poser upgrades) and the speed at which they do it, and adding to them the number of extra people who'll join in more quickly because the program is free rather than holding off until they can afford it and I think it's safe to say to say that the bug-finding part of the beta should go fairly quickly; it' up to DAZ, of course, to fix 'em quickly enough to make the final version release date. I'm anticipating a fairly smooth procedure (I'm feeling optimistic today) with a fairly stable program late December/early January. After that, we're back to waiting patiently, this time for the plug-ins.