ah, my apologies then DE, you seemed to be making the same points as Bella so I thought that perhaps you were the same person. Getting into a huge debate here is not exactly a fun use of anyone's time, so I'll just accept that some people will never like epilogue, and move on. There are many art sites on the web, and getting emotional over one of them isn't worth the effort. One thing I did want to mention though: I wouldn't take the rejection from Epi so insultingly. My stuff usually gets rejected in under 10 minutes too -- they have enough editors there that you're not left in limbo long waiting. If anyone says that your stuff was rejected because it's crap, then they deserve a kick in the teeth, but I doubt that's what the rejection reason was! Post a rejected image in the WIP forum, and I'll bet you ten to one that there'll be lots of people willing to help you figure out what the issue behind the rejection was and fix it. That is, if its worth it to you to improve the images. If not, then move on with a smile :) Cheers. -- Stephen