DarkElegance, I apologise if you see what I said as a personal attack, perhaps I could have worded my comments more diplomaticaly, it certainly wasn't meant to be an attack on you. Rather it is a reaction to the overall tone of threads like this. And O.K. the snob remark was childish. It's obvious you feel you have been treated unjustly, I'm not an editor nor moderator at Epilogue. I have no power or 'axe to grind'. I'm a member of both sites ( and I use poser in my work ). I don't know you or your work, nor am I criticising you. I'm merely trying to understand and perhaps reconcile your ( and apparently many others ) view of Epilogue with my own very different one. As for the conspiracy comment it was in response to you saying; "they wont allow any of my other work in". Again if I interpreted you wrongly my apologies, but goodness gracious, I'm not trying to make you ( or anyone else ) look like a 'loonbag'. I'm perfectly happy to accept people don't like Epilogue, what concerns me are your accusations of double standards and that Epilogue gets 'very mean' if you point them out. It may well be you have a point about inconsistences in judging various submissions, but that is after all a matter of opinion. We have discussed such things at length and always come back to the conclusion; we have to trust our editors judgement. They are volunteers and get a great deal of grief about decisions others don't agree with. In the end someone has to take the responsibility of judging submissions ( I'm to chicken to do it ). Chas we also accept both the rejection messages and the submision guidelines need some work, please try to be patient with us, we're only human. DarkElegance you said; 'Epilogue gets mean' if you point out 'their double standards'? Do you mean the response in the forum ( as the reaction to Bella's post for instance ) or something else? If the former, well that's just forum, I'm sure if accusations of unfairness against Renderosity ( justified or not ) were posted here many people would react 'agressively'. Blimey, just the responses about Epilogue's assumed predjudices have been -shall we say forthright. We're artists, just like you. Let's just try and accept everyone has an opinion about what is and isn't good art and often that will be different than ours. I'm sure no one here would seriously believe all Epilogue members ( or staff ) are prejudiced against a medium, despite some of the things said in the heat of the moment -( these comments are not an attack on anyone or any group ) LOL!