SOME of the people in the forums there can be extremely nasty about Poser, but some people can be nasty about anything. I participate in the forums there somewhat and have very carefully watched/read and I've found that it's only a small and vitriolic minority who are rabidly anti-Poser. Most really don't care that much one way or the other, although they'll sometimes comment on things that they think they know (or which they observe) as being "Poser problems", the same way someone might say, "Well, that's a known problem with working in oil pastels...". Seriously, I honestly think it's mostly that some people are just plain nasty and rude, and they have it in for Poser users for any of a million reasons, some of which are probably not even rational. I've read many statements from the editors, though, and I really don't think they're especially "anti-Poser". They're very, very, VERY picky for various reasons, yes, but I think they're that way with ALL media, not just digital, and not just Poser and/or Bryce. I've never gotten an image approved there. shrug I don't actually try that hard. Now and then I have something I think might work and I submit it and when it gets rejected, I delete it and don't worry about it. Those editors can't tell me what's "good" and what isn't. I enjoy what I do, I'm learning all the time, hell, I went to art school (yes, really, although I went into graphic design rather than "fine art"). Them approving or disapproving my work doesn't mean I'm good, bad, or indifferent. It just means the work I've submitted isn't suitable for THOSE editors at THAT site. Fact is, I've had my work published in digital art magazines, I've done plenty of commission work, and my work is greatly enjoyed by some people, including myself. If the editors at Epilogue don't "approve" it, it's not that important in the long run. At least, that's the way I approach it. I still enjoy reading the discussions in the forums there. Some are very interesting and have really good points. I just blow off the stuff from narrow-minded people who just want to be nasty (just like I do here and at Elfwood ;-). Just purely my $0.02, of course. :-) bonni

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