Seems to me we're discussing a side issue ;o) Why, or more precisly to whom, is it so IMPORTANT to be labelled "Art"? My guess is that it's important to every do-it-yourself'er who feels threatened by the "mass-producers" using Poser and other kinds of "automated" apps. Not pros who are losing their market (they simply use the tools that serve them best), but amateurs who are losing attention and admiration to products that may not LOOK inferior, but definitely ARE inferior. They just have to argue this into a fact rather than a partisan view ;o) They can't afford to accept Poser art as Art, the "attention/admiration market" is too small for both camps. That's why our internal art/non-art debate is a side issue. This is essentially a fight for the "hearts and minds" of the cheering public. If Poser artists want to win, they have to stop arguing with the anti-Poser camp, and concentrate on wowing and wooing the public. Stop arguing and start filling the Poser galleries with great art, sneak even better Poser art into the anti-Poser galleries, and don't reveal the Poser origin until it's too late - for them ;o) I don't think the cheering public is all that different from the paying public - as long as the (shortcomings of) the production process are invisible, it's the product that counts. Give'em a good one ;o)