Well so much for installing the patch. Why is everytime, somebody supposely fixes a bug or problem, at least two more pop up? Not just poser either. I am willing to admit that it has been about 15 years since I last wrote any code, and that was in college, but we had to have all the bugs out or we didn't pass. Maybe the writers of the patches and the programs out take a leaf from that book, (if they even remember what books are) in other words, No workee, no payee. Somehow, I think we would all see a lot less of bugs, and programs that don't do what they are suppose to do. And I want it clear that I am not talking about all engineers or creators of software here, just those who want to rush a product out, knowing that they are bugs in it. For some reason Mircosoft seems to spring to mind on that count. butch