Thanks for the Bryce history lesson! :) I actually like the animation tools in Poser. They easily outclass those of Vue and Bryce combined. The keyframing is EXTREMELY intuitive. It is very visual, and for a large percentage of animation simply switching between interpolation types (which are represented as different colors) does the trick. But then for tweaking they have a decent graph editor to boot. Selecting key frames and sliding/moving them is so easy to do and see, unlike Vue. Oh, and you can actually cut and paste keyframes. Not sure what E-on was thinking there. There are a number of items that just baffle me (especially in something call and intended as "PRO") as to how they are left out. Multiple undo's is another shining example. Then there's the non-standard axis (which drives me totally nuts), then ... ok, the list goes on. But so do my hopes. -Tim