Ornlu, who cares? You know that the ONLY people who have important, informed opinions about your work are the ones who respond to your forum threads. I can't believe there are "factions" here at Renderosity! But lucky for me, I KNOW who I'm cloning. Vasquez is the ONLY one here with the massively benefical ability to slander and prejudge EVERY Bryce artist at the same time, including the ones being mentioned! So, I'm now a Vasquez clone. Massive sarcasm and idiocy combined in ONE ridiculous 3D artist! Too bad for the Fabulous Four, I'm sure they could have used my clone-ness in one of their Army of Art factions... (grins)