Agreed, very nice! Wonder if you could simulate the shader action in Vue... There's a certain twit I know who would have a cow, three canaries, and a watermelon if a certain odango otama screeched 'Konichi Wa!' at them... >:) Foolish, foolish child watched a certain Dic series and thought they knew all about 'that stuff'. Can't wait to drop the unedited season 1 from ADV on her. With the Bishonen pack at Daz, the resources are there to actually -do- anime in Poser (Wonder if a Bishoujo pack is in the works? The more resources, the merrier!).