hmm you know, poser is just about loading someone's else 3d model character , hitting Render button and "voila" :) (yeah right, hen gimme the version of Poser that can render same Posette p4f this way without other work than a clik) sometimes i feel like using foul words... i think that, given the same tools he uses as us, the result he gots sure requires skills, as it is not poser's render raw right out of the box ! but as some say, skill is not art.. but some say craftmanship is an art (in my country, craftmen of stone, wood, etc, were recognized as Artists, known as companions, and could traval all around the whole country of ours, being welcomed, praised, given food, bed and shelter durign their trip, without any payiement other than their work and presence...)