OK, Bump on leaves and the stem. Should be able to do that. Someone at PP suggested a dead texture, and maybe a dead morph....will look into that one... Thanks everyone for the comments, and any more suggestions are certainly welcome:) As for the mouse, I was thinking the cat was not entirely sure where it was....but I like Carolly's answer better:) I have a cat that can't seem to find anything....but then there is another who keeps our yard free of birds:( I think the cat's pose came from daz BTW, the mouse isn't really posed:) He just got positioned a bit...shadows can be your friend:P Off to sleep. eric