He he, now to cap it all, I just overwrote the file.... Was rendering to disk, thought I'd changed the name from default, closed bryce to go look save changes ... yes watched in vain as the date on the file changed, now it'll have top go again :-( Ok this scene has about 8 radials, about 24 spots, I'm rendering on superfine, becase there are some very fine ladders and things that lose bits on a standard render, rendering to disk. I would have network rendered at work, but I've been really busy so not had the chance, left it going at home, plenty of ram but only a 1Gig pIII :-( Got to say even hybrid engines are too slow for games, raytracing is just too intensive, especially if you're looking at ta or high reflection count.

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