N1PPON opened this issue on Oct 20, 2003 ยท 62 posts
ronstuff posted Mon, 20 October 2003 at 8:40 PM
juval - thanks for your comments.
You have perfectly illustrated my point that opponents of this very simple concept seem compelled to push it to the point of absurdity in an attempt to trivialize it. So, NO you definitely do NOT understand what I am talking about.
When you say: Should we reserve a unique section for those who only use what comes with Poser because "real men" don't use add-ons? you are provoking an argument based upon an absurd assumption. Anybody who knows the nature of 3D art also knows that textures, mapping, and object meshes are rarely created, modeled, morphed and combined into scenes with lighting and atmosphere wholely within one single application - it is absurd to suggest that Poser is any different.
When you say: Places like Renderosity cater to the crowd in general and thus satisfy most of us are you suggesting that the majority of the people here ASKED for "Refrigerator Art" and "Wierd" genres? Yet they are here to satisfy the needs of the FEW who wish them.
When you say: Frankly, I am not even sure what "true and valid Poser work" might be - that is apparent, so why enter the dialog at all? If you would like to know, it is simply Art which is composed and produced as a FINAL RENDER within Poser. Period. It doesn't matter what version. It doesn't matter where the objects are modeled or the textures were made (just as these things don't matter in the Bryce gallery or VUE gallery ad nausium). It doesn't matter what the subject is... all that matters is that they were composed and rendered within Poser.
In saying these things, I do not mean any disrespect to you or anyone who admires 2D art, but I fear that many people either do not understand the difference between 2D art and 3D art or can not appreciate the talent and skill required to achieve good 3D art, and in particular Poser 3D art. Perhaps this is because the few good examples of Poser 3D art to be found here are buried in a HUGE amount of 2D art (no matter how good or excellent it may be) which is trying to pass itself off as 3D and Poser art.
If the point is still not clear as to why there is a need for such a gallery, here is what the typical newbie who just purchased Poser usually encounters here:
Looking in the Poser gallery as a source of knowledge and inspiration for their new tool, the newbie observes, "Wow, that is great hair - how do I do that in Poser." The reply is often "You can't do THAT in poser" followed by a long dialog describing the benefits of Photoshop. So the newbie looks further and notices the beautiful flowing fabric so he asks, "How do I do THAT in Poser? And the reply again is "you can't do THAT in Poser" with another plug for Photoshop. Undaunted, the newbie continues to examine the "Poser" art when he spies a landscape with a beautiful sky, so he inquires "How can I do THAT is Poser". But this time he is rewarded with a different answer which still begins with "you can't do THAT in Poser" .. but concludes with a plug for Bryce or Vue. And this process goes ON and ON until the newbie finally asks, "Where can I go and see what CAN be done in Poser" and this time the truthful answer is NOWHERE although many people may blindly insist to the contrary --- it just ain't so. But the worst part of all of this is that those people who say, "You can't do THAT in Poser" are usually wrong. Maybe THEY can't (or don't want to) do it but that doesn't mean that it can't be done. And that is not the message which should be given to the newbie who honestly seeks advice on Poser.