"The sky is green with pink polka dots. This must be true because I said it is so." I think jval's comments are typical in that they show a negative underlying assumption about poser as a program and an extreme reliance on semantics, refusing to accept any form of shared understanding. The fact of the matter is, anything rendered inside poser IS poser art. as the degree of postwork increases, the influence of poser is diluted until it is nonexistent. thats why there is value in the statement "rendered in poser, no post". this is a positive statement about the power of poser as a program unto itself, not just another plugin for photoshop. Photorealism is a widely known and recognized style of painting beginning in the 1960s and continuing today. This is not a disputed fact. The fact that in the age of computers we are able to recreate the impression of "photographic reality" through artistic means, including the use of poser, is an objective reality itself and we are all striving to achieve an artistic ideal no different than someone who spends 12 hours on postwork because they idolize Boris Vallejo.