The point where I felt you descended into semantics was when you challenged Ronstuff's definition of poser art. I give you credit for playing devil's advocate when everyone else is on the same page. We all seem to be drawing on the same points of reference and making clear distinctions based on creative process. When you begin extraneous intellectual riffing then I feel that you're arguing semantics. Thats why I included the quote. If the discussion has seemed a bit gruff, please understand that this is a long running, contentious topic for many. You have elevated the discussion however, and made it possible to deliniate a common view regarding what is "poser art" and what is "photorealism". I don't think its that complicated.